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17 March 2010 @ 08:30 pm
30 Jacob Black  
I never really understood the whole Twilight hype and did not like the movie. I started to read the book but found it a bit too juvenile and figured it was not for my age group (okay, fine, I am trying to be nice--the books are terribly written). But then I saw New Moon and it changed my mind a bit. I thought it was much better than the first movie, and the storylines finally had me interested. I am on Team Jacob, clearly. As much as I love vampires, I do not get the obsession with Edward! Jacob is sweet, humble and caring, and he tells Bella he will wait forever for her and that he does not want her to change. He is a bit one-dimensional and could be delveloped more, but I think he has the most potential as a character. Also, Lautner is the only one who did a good acting job. I will throw in a Bella icon or two, as much as it pains me, for good measure. :P




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Jennifer: JohnandYoko laughing : )littlemisstexas on March 18th, 2010 03:49 pm (UTC)
I haven't read the books or seen any of the films but I do love these icons, sweetie. *thumbs up* ; ) ♥ If I had to pick just a couple of favorites, I'd say 2, 24, 25 and 30 but they're all gorgeous. : ) ♥

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Love,
Jennifer
feminine ink: adam lambert: starecarnivalnights on March 18th, 2010 10:03 pm (UTC)
Thank you, hun! :D I think my favourite is 24 (then 12 & 13); it reminds me of how sweet his character is. :) He has a killer smile, that's for sure. Thank you for the comments once again. I appreciate it to no end (especially since you are the only one who ever comments, haha). <3

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Jo Ann: TW: NM Rob What have I doneyeuxdebleu on March 21st, 2010 12:10 am (UTC)
I love the icons. Big Jacob and Edward fan here.

Jacob is sweet, humble and caring, and he tells Bella he will wait forever for her... while Edward, even though still in love with her, breaks Bella's heart. Hm, which one would you choose? *drums fingers*

I don't know if you've read all the books, but it boils down to Edward thinking he's doing what's best for Bella by leaving. He feels she will never be safe with his family and will eventually come to serious harm. He thinks if they all go away, Bella will forget about him, but I don't feel he consciously intended to break her heart...or even thought he was. He thought she'd get over him and obviously didn't realize how deeply she loved him. Being separated nearly kills both of them, as he comes to realize eventually.

Stephenie Meyer said she intended to have Bella end up with Jacob, but Edward kept getting in the way in her mind. ;>)
feminine inkcarnivalnights on March 21st, 2010 01:48 am (UTC)
I'm glad to hear it! And thank you for the compliment. :D I am working on more already. There are so many great photos of Taylor. Yum.

Oh, I agree. I know he did not intend to break her heart. I just think it was depressing that Bella had to be the one to go after Edward instead of Edward realizing his mistake and coming back for her. I think if you believe in true love, you just take that leap to begin with and do not have such hesitation... even when there is danger, opposition or conflict involved. I think that is why I do not buy into the chemistry between them as much as some other 'shippers. (I am not saying they have none at all, just not as much as Bella/Jacob.) How did he not realize her love? How on earth did he think she would get over him? All stories need conflict so it would have been silly if they just stayed together throughout, I know this, but I guess my impression is that Edward should have been the one to return and risk it all. But I guess this is neither here nor there because the books have been written and the outcome is already decided. :P I do not want to read Eclipse until I see the movie though. I am dying to see more of this triangle! ;)
Jo Ann: TW: Rob VF09 Rough but you'll love ityeuxdebleu on March 21st, 2010 02:03 am (UTC)
I just think it was depressing that Bella had to be the one to go after Edward instead of Edward realizing his mistake and coming back for her.

Oh, I think he did realize his mistake. Remember he called her house. But he thought she was dead because of Alice's vision of Bella jumping off the cliff. Then when Jacob asnwered the phone and said Charlie was away arranging a funeral, Edward naturally thought it was Bella's funeral. He had no way of knowing Harry Clearwater had died. I'd like to think Edward would have come back if he'd talked to Charlie and had found out how upset Bella was, but instead, thinking she was dead he decided he didn't want to live either.

I'm rambling, I know, but I hope I'm making sense. :>)
feminine ink: jacob black: sleepcarnivalnights on March 21st, 2010 08:57 pm (UTC)
He did call her house but that was many months later. You can't wait for love! ;) Regardless, the ended up together anyway so I guess love always finds a way... no matter how late it is. Heh heh. But yes, you are making sense and I see your point entirely.
Jo Ann: TW: NM Rob Smiling hand in hair NMyeuxdebleu on March 21st, 2010 10:09 pm (UTC)
But yes, you are making sense and I see your point entirely.

Wheww! Glad I made sense. I do tend to get going on a bit about the Twilight franchise.
just call me pixie: jake&bellsthe_angry_pixie on March 21st, 2010 09:29 pm (UTC)
Stephenie Meyer said she intended to have Bella end up with Jacob, but Edward kept getting in the way in her mind. ;>)

sorry to butt in i just thought i should let you know that that isn't true. Stepahnie never intended to end the books with Jacob/Bella. It was always going to be Edward/Bella. It was Jacob who kept getting in the way of her mind, and so she wrote in a larger role for his character and eventually developed him into a viable love-interest option.
Jo Ann: Facepalm babyyeuxdebleu on March 21st, 2010 10:05 pm (UTC)
It was Jacob who kept getting in the way of her mind, and so she wrote in a larger role for his character and eventually developed him into a viable love-interest option.

Ahh, yes....you're right. Mea culpa!
lita_cena425lita_cena425 on March 22nd, 2010 12:12 am (UTC)
You also can't forget that she stated that she wrote Breaking Dawn before she wrote New Moon & Eclipse. That Jacob/Bella went further than she intended. I won't even start on that logic. I won't even start how she had x amount of years to fix Breaking Dawn yet it was the most wonderful craptastic pathetic piece of sh*t piece of literature produced by SMeyer.
just call me pixie: jake&bellsthe_angry_pixie on March 22nd, 2010 12:51 am (UTC)
ugh. who could forget that. its the worse kind of fuckery. here's a handy hint Smeyer... if your characters develop beyond where you expected them too, you follow on from that, you don't try and force them back into your perfect ending that you wrote years ago. >:|
lita_cena425lita_cena425 on March 22nd, 2010 03:23 am (UTC)
I just learned about this a week ago, I am completely traumatized because of it. It made me hate Breaking Dawn and her just a little bit more, if that was possible.

I'm still pretty new to all this so excuse me for being a noob. LOL. But I just wanted to throw something when I learned that. I've written some fiction before. I've had characters and ideas take on something different than intended. Although that might sound different, it isn't (well except I didn't get paid).

You have a muse for a reason. You have ideas and characters that are suppose to move the plot along for a reason. So when something unexpected happens, you should follow that, even if it's not the original path you taken because that's where the muse took you. The muse is once again there for a reason. SMeyer should have paid attention to the muse instead of trying to force something and maybe that's why I realize why Breaking Dawn is such a failure because I seriously did a WTF face about it.
just call me pixie: jake&bellsthe_angry_pixie on March 22nd, 2010 04:24 am (UTC)
haha. sok to be a noob. it just makes me feel old, since i been in this fandom for a couple of years (and im not even that old). ;)

i pretty much agree with everything you said. but unlike you, i wasn't surprised when i found out this info. it made sense to me. everything about that horrible fourth book was so out of character that when I found out that major elements of it had been decided before New Moon and Eclipse were even written, it made sense.

basically what happened was Smeyer had her perfectly sparkly happily ever after already planned and partially written after Twilight (it was going to be a book called Forever Dawn). But then her editors were like "whoa! hey now! getting married in highschool? teenage pregnancy? wtf?! why don't you slow things down, string out the story a bit more... see what happens?"

And so Smeyer wrote NM and Eclipse... and hence... Jacob's character became a major player and his relationship with Bella was developed way further than was ever initially intentioned. And then she got to the end of Eclipse and was like "shit! my sparkly HEA doesn't fit anymore! Oh well I will just make everyone completely OOC and hopefully noone will notice." *crosses fingers*

Uh yeah. we noticed smeyer. good work. *slow clap*


p.s. sorry for our major rants on your thread original poster. :)
feminine ink: jacob black: smilecarnivalnights on March 22nd, 2010 10:02 pm (UTC)
Haha, no worries, guys! Glad to have inspired such a passionate debate. :P I am wondering if I should even bother reading the books. I bought the box set after I saw New Moon but honestly, if the last book ends that way, what's the point?! Geez. Meyer's decision is so... un-writer-like. Most writers would embrace the muse and allow it to go where it wants to go. I have rarely heard of any writers who simply decide on an ending and then stick with that no matter what, even if it does not make sense as the rest of the story (or storylines) develop. That seems really juvenile and stupid, something a very unseasoned writer would do. Though, I have to admit honestly here, Meyer is not the best writer to begin with. From my experience so far, the movies are better--and I have never said that about a book-turned-movie; I always enjoy the books more. I think this is what turned me off the books to begin with... they were not well-written and she seemed to view her audience as idiots, writing in such an obvious way that there is nothing to read into or figure out. But I guess this makes sense if she is so obsessed with her already-decided ending.

MEH! She sucks.
Kim: (Twilght) JacobBellaHugcifan70 on March 21st, 2010 10:12 pm (UTC)
*drools over icons* I love them.
Angel S: NM Taylor smilevoicegrl on March 21st, 2010 11:10 pm (UTC)
You're my hero!! Thank you for making these!! I snagged lots and will credit.
lita_cena425lita_cena425 on March 22nd, 2010 12:12 am (UTC)
Wonderful pieces of art! I love every piece! Thanks for sharing!
$EAN.hick on March 22nd, 2010 08:57 am (UTC)
omggggggg
☆ 「Sɪʟᴠᴇʀ。」〜「スィルヴェル。」〜「실벨。」: alice kingsleyhilary_bells on March 22nd, 2010 03:51 pm (UTC)
taking a few icons, thank you! i'm proudly
team jacob
! ♥